Political Thots? Begun by Mari

[Roofdad]

My political thoughts run a little to the extremely pessimistic side. The older I get, as years pass, and political administrations with them, I realize that the truth is that it is BIG BUSINESS that runs the show. Many politicians are merely bought-and-paid-for pawns of Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Food, and many other BIG businesses...... and so, of course, greed is ALWAYS a bedfellow, and a major player in policy.
Pity........ not exactly what the founding fathers envisioned, is it?
Just another reason to welcome the "catching up" of the Body of Christ! Christ..... solid..... never changing...... dependable..... faithful to those that are faithful to Him.

Sorry y'all, I'm rambling.

Darryl

[Oasis]

Ramble away, Darryl. 

As much as I enjoy political discussion my pessimism too has grown over the years.  There's not much about our government that I'm happy about...especially now...on either side.  I think there is some big business involvement in government, but even more so over the last 50 +/- years I think it is being driven by people who have no interest in preserving our country or the constitution as it was framed. 

Don't get me wrong.  I think there are many honorable people in government who genuinely love this country and who do their best to put it first.  But unfortunately it is becoming increasingly clear that they are now outnumbered by those with either personal absolute power ambitions and/or driven by ideologies that have failed in other countries and turned them into something I don't want to think about. 

As for finger pointing?  I would start with congress.  Past congressional participants have helped get us to this point, but this congress is the most corrupt, inept congress I've ever witnessed.  I point the finger at both sides of the aisle.  I've never seen a larger bunch of ignorant fence riders in my life.

Ok, now I'm rambling too Darry.  LOL

Solution?  Keep your eyes on the skies! 
Nothing else is as important.

Have a great day! 

ybiC,
Kab 

[NewDawn]

I know what you all mean and agree, at the same time. . .what Paul say's; 

1 Timothy 2:1-4
 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

[MaricoG]

Okay...you want to hear some ramboling?   

I am a conspiracy theorist.  Yes, I admit it...I have seen too many conspiracies not to be.   

Who runs our world are those under Satan's influence.  You know why?  Because this is his domain!  And who runs the best conspiracies?  Satan. 

We have had many leaders, but I don't kinow that in my lifetime, we have ever had a Christian.  Have we?  We have had many who have said they are, but when we watch them in action, we see that if they are, it is the poorest of examples.

Okay...now I have rambled too...

[Lu]

Yes, MaricoG, it is conspiracies against us.
I think it's the evil in men's hearts with an antichrist spirit.

YFIC,  Lu

[Christine]

Okay...you want to hear some ramboling?   

I am a conspiracy theorist.  Yes, I admit it...I have seen too many conspiracies not to be.   

Who runs our world are those under Satan's influence.  You know why?  Because this is his domain!  And who runs the best conspiracies?  Satan. 

We have had many leaders, but I don't kinow that in my lifetime, we have ever had a Christian.  Have we?  We have had many who have said they are, but when we watch them in action, we see that if they are, it is the poorest of examples.

Okay...now I have rambled too...

Let me pose a question:

Can one be a believer and not "do" everything we should? Are we told to determine a persons salvation by what they "do?" or by what they "believe?"

The litmus test of "behavior" is one that we as believers oftentimes use and we forget that there might be those who ARE saved who have never "come to a full knowledge (epignosis) of the truth."

While who we ARE in Christ should always be reflected in our actions, we need to realize how short we all fall in that regard each and every day. Whaddaya think?

I'm glad its not my job to determine whether or not any of our leaders are truly "christians", but to simply be faithful in sharing the gospel with those who have been and will be affected by the decisions of the politicians we elect. We can certainly pray for them (the politicians and Presidents) but ultimately we already know that the god of this world holds sway in the governing of our world and its leaders.

Should we be surprised? Is God expecting "christians" to change the tide, whether in office or not? Or is he expecting "christians" to be faithful where He HAS placed them, in the everyday dealings of life?

This is something I have pondered and have a great peace about...it keeps me from agonizing over the poor decisions that our government has made and is currently making.

As a whole, I see the American people as being very apathetic and expecting government to cure all their ills. Shouldn't their expectations be in God Himself? Could this be why we find ourselves in the pathetic circumstances we are in today?

Just some food for thot.

[MacTastic]

As members of this Republic--No! It's *not* a Democracy!--all of us are are involved in the political process, every time we vote at least. We become apathetic thinking we've discharged our options and responsibilities when we exit the voting booth. And you're right, Christine, I've had to catch myself becoming jaded. We're told to make a choice between really only two viable parties--itself a magnificent travesty on the freedoms we ought to be exercising--when it comes election time. Trouble is, there's no real difference. The Democrats will gladly legislate my economy, while the Republicans will merrily legislate my morality. Both are big government. Bush will go down in history as the first president to effectively rob his countrymen blind of those precious liberties others bled and died for. Not that I wanted Kerry at the helm, mind you, but Bush was on watch when it went down. I say Bush, but he could not have acted alone (Clinton might have, but not Bush). No, he needed help. Congress. A waddling complicit Congress entombed in the bowels of self-service was more than happy to waste our Constitution. What better way to do it than with the gleeful caprice of the oval office. The USA PATRIOT I Act, USA PATRIOT II, Homeland (very "Hitler-ish") Security Acts, etc. And don't get me started about the FISA Court, exercising oversight over the Fed's intercepting and eavesdropping on domestic telephone calls, or over the fact that now you and I have no redress against the TELECOMs handing over our cell phone call records.

I've been silent awhile. I think I'll speak. Understand I have no intention of harming anyone when I do so. It's my view most Americans are too stupid and too greedy to vote. The result is ignorant and egocentric officials. Can we all appreciate Senator Chris Dodd (Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee) going on record stating Congress can't control the way the administration uses the bailout dough, and that it's up to the president to make sure the money is spent appropriately? My question is, since Congress writes the law, why not write how the money will be spent; to whom, for whom, and with some follow-up? Oh, I forgot. That's too big a job for Congress. The spineless wonders have to sit back and "hope" the administration spends wisely. And when it's not, they'll fritter away for a day or two till the public forgets about it, and point fingers at the other guy.

Who put Chris there? You and I.

Bush, Dodd... don't want to talk about people, let's discuss issues then. Better still, let's discuss our lack of discernment on issues. We fixate on one, maybe two of them. This becomes our litmus test for voting. Abortion is the prime example. (Before you get upset with what I just wrote, know that I don't support abortion. I support a woman's right to choose, though. I support her right to choose to have sex. I support her right to choose to use birth-control. I support her right to choose to have children. I support her right to choose to act responsibly. I don't support the murder of innocents, age notwithstanding.) So, those of us who went ahead and made abortion the litmus test of choosing between the "messiah" and the "old man," tried to reduce a complex and orchestrated series of events down to just one precept. Murder. Of innocents. Does that mean we'd select a pro-life man who favors euthanasia and total government regulation, over a pro-choice woman who supports limited government, lower taxes and closed borders? You tell me.

We're too complacent for analysis. Scrutinizing a voting record to see how it squares with a candidate's promises is just... to... difficult. Looking at affiliations is too complex. Watching what people say during the course of a campaign, not just for their last five minutes of it, is too tiresome. Let's admit it: there are many folks in this country who voted for Barack only because his skin is darker than mine. (Oops, I just offended somebody. Again.) That's as far as we think! It was goose-bump producing "historical." And we had to get in on it. The untenable nature of our politics is nowhere seen better than when the US PEBO's Veep, Joe Biden, went on record during the campaign stating Barrie was not qualified for the job, and then Barrie casts him as his running mate, and Joe accepts! Wow, talk about men who mean what they say.

There are good men, though, and that's where I'll pause this rant. Men like Ron Paul or Alan Keyes: it's not like this country doesn't have excellent caliber material. But in the marketplace of ideas, their voices are not as loud as others. And that's okay. It's the voice of quality, reflecting the person of character that matters, not the volume. That's where I find myself. My message is not popular, my stance not acceptable, and that's okay. In the marketplace of ideas, somebody will have the opportunity to choose to listen to the grace message. I want to be there. To give them the choice.

There are good people, like you and I. Normal, everyday, common, simple, gentle and mouthy. There's not much time. I intend to impact everything around me for the grace message. And I'll support you along the way!

[Christine]

Hey Mac and all...excellent post by the way Mac!

Johnny was listening to National Public Radio yesterday and heard something that I thought was astounding. Something about Obama calling together a new committee of political leaders to re write the Constitution, and these leaders will not be policed by anyone! Some guy wrote a book about this and was on the radio yesterday talking about it. Johnny is looking for the transcript of it on google at NPR and if he can find it he will post it. Do you ever wonder why this kind of jaw dropping news is never reported? Anyone finding anything else on this...please feel free to join in.

I don't want this to be a political bandwagon or whining place for those who are aware of where this country is headed, but I do think we have the responsibility to KNOW and communicate issues as they occur. 

[NewDawn]

That's interesting Christine because my parents, sister and I were just talking about this, but my dad said that it was George Bush who tried to do that.
Hmmm!

[Christine]

The concept has been in the works since 1987, but this author of the book that Johnny was listening to said that its looking to be enacted in the near future if not already in the works. Johnny is calling the radio station to get more information on the program.

[MaricoG]

Guess Obama thinks that is great for him to have been born....but not other babies.  He would rather they die alone in a closet.  He just yesterday signed to reinstate paying for abortions overseas....  Now he calls himself a Christian, but I do not believe Black Theology is Christian at all, it is social political if you read about it...and very scary.

This is a very powerful ad. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2CaBR3z85c&eurl=http://conservablogs.com/bluecollarmuse/&feature=player_embedded

[BOC560]

Okay, I found a link to the radio program that I was listening to yesterday.  I was running errands and was in & out of the truck a lot so I missed parts of it the first time around.  It was broadcast 22 JAN 09 on WGOD Christian Radio out of Somerset, KY.

Anyway, here it is on CROSSTALK AMERICA, “What the ‘Change’ Means for America” that you can listen to at your convenience.  I thought it was quite interesting:

http://www.crosstalkamerica.com/shows/recent_programs.php

     An interesting link.    A tinfoil hat report or is it valid?  You decide:

[MaricoG]

Very interesting....we are seeing it happen day by day...the changes he is implementing so fast!!  Today he lifted the bans on stem cell research, and also more to do with us funding abortions in other countries!

It is really bad.

[Oasis]

Hi Johnny,

I read through that article.  Incredible!  Idiots like Pelosi and Reid having a chance at altering our constitution?  That is an absolute nightmare, and we seem to be living right in the middle of it!

Ok Mari, what can you tell me about the government in Scotland?  It may be time for a move!  LOL

Mac made some excellent observations.  Most people are politically ignorant and should not be allowed to vote.  I think there should be a very basic test that every age elligible voter should have to take before being allowed to pull the lever.  Look what a mess our country is in, and we're just now finding out how bad.

I also agree that it is sad that if you don't vote Republican or Democrat that your vote has no chance of counting, except for your conscience's sake.  I've been a faithful Republican for years, but both major parties have become lazy and corrupt beyond comprehension.  After this election I would give my right arm(I'm left handed)for a true conservative to stand up and say it's time for conservatives to form their own party.  The republican party has been hijacked by Rhinos.

I am afraid that even if the people become outraged over what is starting to happen in Obama's adminstration and republicans retake the senate in 2010 and the White House in 2012 that in some ways it will be too late.  Irreversible damage will have been done.  Christine's right.  One man didn't get us here.  It took a parade of President's from both sides with misguided goals to push us into this political quagmire.  But this particular President is the one that is the most dangerous.  Among other things, he's a socialist who is a hop and a skip from being communist.  No matter what anybody says, this President is not a natural born citizen.  I base this on many, many hours of research and reading.  This is an incredibly huge coverup that is just one of many regarding this man.

This country is in the biggest trouble since it's inception.  There are many freedoms in jeopardy that this President is determined to take away.  Ignorance, apathy, and greed have gotten us to this point.  It will take a true conservative on "steroids" to help us recover from the next four years.  Is there such a person in existance?  Bobby Jindal...Sarah Palin...some unknown conservative?  Who has what it takes to rise up and defeat socialism?  People, it is no longer knocking at the door.  It is here and we have let it in.  Thank God we have a future in Christ to look forward to because our country's future is now in dire straits.   

Write your congressmen(women), senators, and governors.  Tell them you will not support anyone in 2010 and 2012 who is not conservative in every sense of the word...socially, economically, foreign policy, etc...Here's a link to help you:

http://directory.usayfoundation.org/

Watch what is going on locally.  Express your opinion vocally, while you still have that right.  Don't wait for 2012 to vote for a conservative President.  It starts with congress in 2010.  Conservatives will need the impetus in 2010 to regain the White House in 2012.  Hear me, I don't mean just any Republican or independant.  I mean true conservatives in the House, Senate, and White House.

Ok, I just put my bar of soap back in the box.

ybiC,
Kab   

 

[Lu]

"I don't want this to be a political bandwagon or whining place for those who are aware of where this country is headed, but I do think we have the responsibility to KNOW and communicate issues as they occur."

I certainly don't want to frighten anyone, but I want you to be aware that the current administration has talked about wealth distribution or redistribution and some of the men watching what is going on say that rumor has it that this administration might grap people's IRA's and 410k's and put them in the Social Security pot for everyone.
Like I said, I just want you to be aware of the possibility.

YFIC,  Lu