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Christine
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« on: March 12, 2008, 10:59:24 AM »

Since salvation came to the gentiles through the reconciliation of both groups (Circumcision & Uncircumcision) because of Israel’s “fall”, does that mean that reconciliation into both groups is no longer available after the “rise” of Israel?

Will this “rise” of Israel be equivalent to what her position was BEFORE her fall (the time during the life of the 12 apostles)? OR will this rise be equivalent to the time of her exaltation at the 2nd coming of Christ? In other words, is this "rise" simply a return to her position before her fall OR is it an exalted position over and above where she was before her fall?

Also, was the fall of Israel equivalent to her being broken off the Olive Tree in unbelief?

And will this “rise” of Israel be equivalent to her being grafted back into the Olive Tree in belief?

When does this grafting back into the Olive Tree due to her belief take place… beginning of 70th week or end of 70th week?
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Christine
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2008, 04:23:33 PM »

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Since salvation came to the gentiles through the reconciliation of both groups (Circumcision & Uncircumcision) because of Israel’s “fall”, does that mean that reconciliation into both groups is no longer available after the “rise” of Israel?

Salvation comes to the Gentiles thru Israels FALL ...see scripture in Context of :

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (Just something to keep in mind is that Romans 9-11 is Paul telling us about what is happening with ISRAEL)

The reconciliation is to GOD, the making of TWO into ONE is what has happened in the BUT NOW age of GRACE. It is NO LONGER Israel having the place of distinction as being the "channel of blessing to the nations", but the CREATION of the ONE NEW BODY (comprised of Jew and Gentile)

After the rise of Israel, when God is again dealing with her and the "fullness of the Gentiles be come in", the ONE NEW BODY comprised of both believing Jew and Gentile will be GONE (taken UP to meet her Lord in the AIR.) It will be back to the Kingdom gospel and the distinction of the Nation of Israel as Gods channel of blessing to an unbelieving world once again.


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Will this “rise” of Israel be equivalent to what her position was BEFORE her fall (the time during the life of the 12 apostles)?  OR will this rise be equivalent to the time of her exaltation at the 2nd coming of Christ?  In other words, is this "rise" simply a return to her position before her fall OR is it an exalted position over and above where she was before her fall?
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The Nation Israel is who God will use to re establish His rule and reign on the EARTH. So, their program will continue on as it was BEFORE their fall until the last course of curses has played out, which is the GREAT TRIBULATION or the time of Jacobs Trouble. THEN God will fulfil the promises made unto her and she will rule from 12 thrones with 12 apostles over the twelve tribes of Israel with a literal EARTHLY Kingdom.

If I have left anything out, or if anyone can further clarify...I welcome the additional comments.

I will leave the second part to someone else to tackle.   Grin
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