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Does God Heal Today?
By Ron Knight
When answering the question of whether or not God is healing the sick today, we must first clarify and qualify just what the real issue is.
The real question is not whether God CAN heal the sick today, because the record of scripture is clear on the truth that "with God all things are possible" (Mark 10:27), and "with God nothing shall be impossible" (Luke 1:37). The real question is whether or not God has PROMISED, in His written Word to us today, to heal us SUPERNATURALLY or not. Is supernatural healing His Will or plan for us today? Is God operating a supernatural healing program for believers today; those who have put their faith and trust in the shed blood of His Son, The Lord Jesus Christ, and Him ALONE, for full payment of their sins?
Any student of the bible can, with only a small glance at the earthly ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ, see that a MAJOR part of His preaching to Israel about their "gospel of the kingdom" was supernatural healing! In Mat 4:23, as the Lord begins His earthly ministry, He goes about preaching and supernaturally "healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people" of Israel. In the next verse, 24, He continues to heal even more Israelites, as many as sought healing from Him, turning NONE away. Even when He commissions His 12 apostles later in chapter 10:5-8, He gives them His power to not only supernaturally heal the people of Israel, but even the power to "raise the dead" (See note at bottom of page about this practice today).
No doubt, part of our Lord's, and His earthly apostles' commission from God the Father was to preach the coming Davidic kingdom to Israel, and to supernaturally heal "all" manner of sickness and disease, up to, and including, death! So why this particular healing ministry? Well, Israel was created by God to be His physical, visible, people in the Earth to manifest His glory! As that nation manifested PERFECT physical health, and many other blessings of God to the other gentile nations, the gentiles would then seek the God of Israel. Therefore, our Apostle Paul says in Rom 15:8, that our Lord, during His earthly ministry, was "a minister of the circumcision (Israel, thru God's covenant with Abraham in Gen 12-18) for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the (Jewish) fathers". The Lord Jesus Christ, in fulfillment of God's Word to that nation, came as their Messiah. He manifested His Person as their Jehovah God by opening the eyes of their blind, the ears of their deaf, giving strength to walk to their lame, and speech to their dumb, etc., just as their prophet Isaiah said in Isa 35:4-6, as well as many other of their prophets. So we see that God had PROMISED the Nation of Israel in His written Word to them, that He would heal them supernaturally.
But what about the people of God today in the Dispensation of Grace, the Church, the Body of Christ? Has God PROMISED, in His written Word to us thru Paul (Romans-Philemon), to heal us supernaturally like He did with Israel? Well, first of all it is clear from all scripture that the human body is "fearfully and wonderfully made" (Psalm 139:14). We can praise our Creator, The Lord Jesus Christ, for all the healing properties He put in our bodies at creation, with the forming of our first father Adam. But unfortunately, with Adam's sin came death, and the corruption of this masterpiece of the human body. Our Apostle Paul says the following about our physical bodies of flesh: It is a "body of death" (Rom 7:24), it "perish" (2 Cor 4:16), and it is "vile" (Phil 3:21). In Philippians 2, and 2 Timothy 4, God allowed 2 faithful brethren in the Lord to remain sick...one even almost died. Even Timothy himself had to be prescribed some medicine from Paul in 1 Tim 5:23. It is no doubt to me that this prescription was also endorsed by Luke the beloved physician, who was also our Apostle's personal attending physician during his own sufferings of physical infirmities (Col 4:14).
Paul makes it clear that today, we believers in the Church, the Body of Christ, just like the whole creation, "groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now" (Rom 8:18-25). He says that because of the current "bondage of corruption", everything on earth, including our bodies, are subject to the pain and sting of sin and death. We as believers, are not immune from the effects of sin on our mortal bodies! It is part of the "gift" of suffering that the Lord gives us as His saints today (Phil 1:29). Unlike Israel, who when they suffered in their physical bodies, it was a sign from God of His disapproval of them (Deu 28:60), we as His saints today, can, like our Apostle Paul, "glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ can rest upon me" ( Cor 12:9). Even though our Apostle prayed diligently to the Lord thrice to remove his infirmity, the Lord DID NOT, but said unto him (and to us), "my GRACE is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness." God's grace message today is found in the 13 letters of our Apostle Paul! So although Christ did not remove Paul's infirmity, He did give him His grace to bear and endure (1 Cor 10:13).
So my friend, you too can learn to say with Paul, "most GLADLY therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me"! And although God has not promised to supernaturally heal us of all our sicknesses and diseases today like He did with the Nation of Israel, He does have a "far more exceeding and eternal" healing program for us called the resurrection, or the "rapture", or "catching away" of His church (2 Cor 4:16-18, 1 Thes 4:13, Phil 3:20-21, Tit 2:14). One day the Lord Himself will come back and deliver us from this sin cursed world and take us home to the Heavenly Places with Him. We will, at that time, get our new glorified bodies, just like He now has, and then function, operate and serve and fellowship with Him for all eternity in the Heavenly Places, in His Heavenly Kingdom (Rom 8:23, 2 Cor 5:1-8, Phil 3:21, 2 Tim 4:18). Even so, come Lord Jesus, praise ye the Lord, Amen:-)!
[Writer's note: Notice that NO ONE today ever raises the dead, which is the bible's ULTIMATE proof of a "healer"! In fact, have you ever seen anyone even "healed" of an amputed arm or leg, in which it grew back (Mt 12:10-13). I am sure all the wounded war veteran's who come back home all torn up could use their help. That would be a very convincing way to share Christ with them wouldn't it? Why are all the so-called "healings" today inward things (cancer, etc.) that can not be seen, nor confirmed like in the Lord's day? Or why, when you do not get your healing, do the so-called "healers" claim that you don't have enough faith (or money), or that there is some sort of "sin in your life"...what person on earth today does NOT sin...even them!? The Lord Jesus Christ could heal you based on someone elses faith, not your's (Mt 9:2)!
Why do some of the "healers" today wear eyeglasses? Can they not heal their own sight (Luke 4:23)? I even heard a "healer" on the radio preaching about the Lord's supernaturally healing thru him, and yet he himself was sick at the time he was speaking and had a cold in his own throat, coughing up a storm right there on the air:-)! When believers claim that God "healed" them, what do they say to all their brothers and sisters in Christ who pray to God and yet are not healed? No my friend, no matter all the claims of believers and non-believers alike of some "miraculous" or supernatural healing from God, the DEATH rate is still one apiece...we all DIE! God's REAL healing program and promise for us believers today is when He gives us our NEW bodies at he rapture. Til then we will all get old, get sick, hurt, and (if the Lord tarries) we will all die. And if you are honest, you know deep down in your heart that this fact is true, even in your own life. Why not seek comfort in the Word of His Grace thru your Apostle Paul's 13 letters Romans-Philemon?! Thank You.
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Christine
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Excellent article, and one that needs to be addressed in alot of "christian" churches today.
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BOC560
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Many years ago I was diagnosed with a ruptured disc. My leg ached day and night. I would sometimes go out into the garage and hang from the exposed rafters there in an attempt to relieve some of the pressure on my sciatic nerve in my back. I couldn’t enjoy watching a TV show or to even to have a cup of coffee with a friend without agony.
I wasn’t keen on having spinal surgery but would gladly sacrifice a leg if it would alleviate the intolerable pain. At a 'praise' gathering, a reknowned faith healing evangelist told me I could acquire a miraculous healing from God according to the ‘prayer of faith.’
John 14:14
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 15:7
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
James 5:15
And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
For many weeks and months I prayed that my back would be healed according to these scriptures and I believed in the prayers and in the scriptures of God. I received no healing. I wanted to know why it didn’t work for ME? I was told by ordained preachers that I was not strong enough in my faith to CLAIM a healing. I began to doubt my faith and eventually I doubted my salvation as well. It seemed God had turned His back on me because I was not worthy. I was in physical pain but I was especially in spiritual agony.
For the sake of brevity, I tell you that the above scriptures don’t work for us because they aren’t written to us. Those ‘promises’ are written to the nation Israel (the Kingdom Church – the Jews) Rather, here are the scriptures that apply to us (the church of the Body of Christ):
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Romans 8:18
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Romans 8:24
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
These scriptures apply directly to us (His Body Church) and indicate that He is more concerned with our spiritual being than our physical bodies. Indeed, Paul stopped asking for deliverance for his infirmities. Neither did he ask for deliverance for Timothy who greatly suffered infirmities.
So if Paul (the apostle to us Gentiles) didn’t pray for deliverance for our iniquities, how did Paul pray? Primarily, Paul said “I pray for them that they might have greater understanding.” So likewise, when I pray for myself or others, my prayers are predominantly “
I pray that they have greater understanding
.”
All of us are 'terminal' and we will all suffer the maladies of this world in our human existence.
Once more for emphasis:
Romans 8:18
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
God will provide us the faith to endure the pain of our sufferings and we will continue to glory in Him because His grace is sufficient to sustain us.
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Christine
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Quote from: BOC560 on February 22, 2008, 10:50:07 AM
Many years ago I was diagnosed with a ruptured disc. My leg ached day and night. I would sometimes go out into the garage and hang from the exposed rafters there in an attempt to relieve some of the pressure on my sciatic nerve in my back. I couldn’t enjoy watching a TV show or to even to have a cup of coffee with a friend without agony.
I wasn’t keen on having spinal surgery but would gladly sacrifice a leg if it would alleviate the intolerable pain. At a 'praise' gathering, a reknowned faith healing evangelist told me I could acquire a miraculous healing from God according to the ‘prayer of faith.’
John 14:14
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 15:7
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
James 5:15
And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
For many weeks and months I prayed that my back would be healed according to these scriptures and I believed in the prayers and in the scriptures of God. I received no healing. I wanted to know why it didn’t work for ME? I was told by ordained preachers that I was not strong enough in my faith to CLAIM a healing. I began to doubt my faith and eventually I doubted my salvation as well. It seemed God had turned His back on me because I was not worthy. I was in physical pain but I was especially in spiritual agony.
For the sake of brevity, I tell you that the above scriptures don’t work for us because they aren’t written to us. Those ‘promises’ are written to the nation Israel (the Kingdom Church – the Jews) Rather, here are the scriptures that apply to us (the church of the Body of Christ):
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Romans 8:18
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Romans 8:24
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
These scriptures apply directly to us (His Body Church) and indicate that He is more concerned with our spiritual being than our physical bodies. Indeed, Paul stopped asking for deliverance for his infirmities. Neither did he ask for deliverance for Timothy who greatly suffered infirmities.
So if Paul (the apostle to us Gentiles) didn’t pray for deliverance for our iniquities, how did Paul pray? Primarily, Paul said “I pray for them that they might have greater understanding.” So likewise, when I pray for myself or others, my prayers are predominantly “
I pray that they have greater understanding
.”
All of us are 'terminal' and we will all suffer the maladies of this world in our human existence.
Once more for emphasis:
Romans 8:18
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
God will provide us the faith to endure the pain of our sufferings and we will continue to glory in Him because His grace is sufficient to sustain us.
Aaaaamen.
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NewDawn
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Oh Christine, that was a good article!!!
That will come in handy when it comes to some ladies I talk to on a low carb forum. They are Christians, but they believe that they can be healed. They have been praying that our Lord will take away the food addiction from their lives. They are trying to lose weight and a couple of them say they are food addicts. In fact one lady was saying that the Lord has helped her with that and how she prays we can all have what she has in the Lord. She said, that she and the Lord have it all under control.
Well I pointed out to the original poster that if we aren't not healed of this, that Gods grace is suffiecient for us to get through this, the same scripture as above. I brought up 1 Timothy 4:4 too. I tried to bring up Paul and the gospel of grace, but I don't think they got it.
I'm not good with words, but I know scripture can open hearts and I'm trusting that God will open their hearts to the truth.
Thank you for posting this!!
Love,
Diana
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Christine
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Quote from: NewDawn on April 29, 2008, 08:52:50 PM
Oh Christine, that was a good article!!!
That will come in handy when it comes to some ladies I talk to on a low carb forum. They are Christians, but they believe that they can be healed. They have been praying that our Lord will take away the food addiction from their lives. They are trying to lose weight and a couple of them say they are food addicts. In fact one lady was saying that the Lord has helped her with that and how she prays we can all have what she has in the Lord. She said, that she and the Lord have it all under control.
Well I pointed out to the original poster that if we aren't not healed of this, that Gods grace is suffiecient for us to get through this, the same scripture as above. I brought up 1 Timothy 4:4 too. I tried to bring up Paul and the gospel of grace, but I don't think they got it.
I'm not good with words, but I know scripture can open hearts and I'm trusting that God will open their hearts to the truth.
Thank you for posting this!!
Love,
Diana
You are more than welcome. Remind your friend that what she HAS is what God calls "self control"...its not something she needs to be healed OF, but something she needs to change her thinking about. God always appeals to the MIND, and repenting is when we change our mind to think as God thinks. If food controls us then that is an area we need to commit to the LORD and allow HIM to control it. Its not a disease or evil spirit, its a matter of realizing that any area where something controls me instead of GOD, is SIN and therefore detrimental to my physical, mental and spiritual well being. We need to look at WHY we overindulge in these things, and allow God to change our thinking so that it effects a change in our behavior. That is how He works...from the inside OUT. Gluttony is a sin...plain and simple. It is an indication that we are making FOOD a substitute for something else...comfort, love, whatever we think we are MISSING, we eat to forget it. Those are the things God wants us to be honest with ourselves and HIM about.
So you see, its not a matter of God zapping those desires away from us, but of us figuring out where we have "stinkin thinkin" and how it affects our lives adversely, and then changing our THINKING. "As a man thinks, so is he." If we think about FOOD as a satisfaction for what ails us, we will be FAT. We need to care about our bodies as temples of the Holy Spirit and realize that we dont belong to ourselves any longer, but have been bought with a price. We are to honor God with our bodies. Discipline is just plain hard work and learning NEW and healthy habits to replace OLD , unhealthy ones.
Its NOT rocket science. It is being honest about those things that run US, instead of us running them. NOTHING is to have that power over us, and we are the only ones who can make the changes in our thinking.
So..run that by them and watch em drop their teeth....LOL
Im glad the information is helpful to you...God will show you how to share it with your friends....huggs to you sweetie. You are doing so well.
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Quote from: Christine on May 01, 2008, 08:39:24 AM
I do agree with many who stated that the Grace Movement has taken God OUT of being personally involved in a believers life, but that might have been from another thread...that one was good as well.
What does it all mean Christine? Any light will be greatly appreciated...
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NewDawn
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Oh Christine, that is so true what said in your reply! I agree with that.
I'll be sharing this with them.
Thank you!!
Love,
Diana
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Quote from: The Paulinian on May 01, 2008, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Christine on May 01, 2008, 08:39:24 AM
I do agree with many who stated that the Grace Movement has taken God OUT of being personally involved in a believers life, but that might have been from another thread...that one was good as well.
What does it all mean Christine? Any light will be greatly appreciated...
Hey guy! There are some in the Grace Movement that hold to the position that God isn't involved in the affairs of men today, apart from what He has said in His Word. I think the sciptures teach that the truth is somewhere in the mddle ground. He is most certainly involved in the lives of those in whom He lives...How could He NOT be, right??? It is true that God wants us to walk by faith and not by sight, but that does NOT mean that He isn't actively involved in the details of each of our lives, working ALL things together for our good. After all, doesn't the scripture TELL us so???
I believe God gives us alot of freedom in the decision making arena of our lives, but promises guidance and wisdom as well. He also gave us common sense and principles to go by that only require that we read them and believe them as well as APPLYING THEM to our every day lives. Every man must be convinced in his OWN mind thru Gods precious Word as to what the balance is here...but I think the KEY phrase IS "balance." What do you think?
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Christine
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Another important truth to consider with regard to healing in this present age of Grace is this.
Gods ULTIMATE healing will be when we get our NEW BODIES. No more sickness, Sin, sorrow, suffering....wow....can't hardly wait! Unless we are raptured, each one of us has an appointment with DEATH of this body of corruption. Who we ARE will go on and we will be given a NEW BODY just like His. Is that not just AWESOME, or what?
We aint takin these bodies of corruption WITH us...so why is everyone so danged fired up about God healing this old bag of bones?
? No one is going into eternity with the same flesh they came into this world with...God has condemned our FLESH.
See how people simply do not understand what IS important and what is NOT in Gods economy?
? Think about it.
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Perhaps, in times past, the earthly believers in Israel were healed physically, but now, the spiritual believers in the Dispensation of Grace are healed spiritually by the indwelling Holy Spirit.
After that, all things work for good. Believers, today, can have peace of mind while dealing with all kinds of problems. Peace of mind, love in your heart, and the fruit of the Spirit is what the Holy Spirit teaches, a spiritual healing..... is it not so......
YFIC, Lu
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And why is it so important to be healed! Can't anyone suffer a little!! Spoiled brats!! LOL!!
The same with the prosperity thing. Is that in a different thread?? LOL!
P.S.
Let me know if my attitude sinks!!
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New Dawn and Lu,
Aaaaaamen! We are PROMISED suffering in this present dispensation...but everyone starts praying for God to take it away as soon as it shows up! If Gods power is made manifest in our weaknesses, why , oh why, would we pray for them to vanish in to thin air?
?? It shows that we really ARE spoiled brats, and don't understand that we "are NOT our own , but have been bought with a price."
Any time our attitude agrees with God , its A-OK! When was the last time you actually met anyone who was "glorying in their infirmities???" Uh huh, not something you hear or see every day now is it?
Yet those are OUR instructions.
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Quote from: Christine on May 01, 2008, 04:32:43 PM
New Dawn and Lu,
Aaaaaamen! We are PROMISED suffering in this present dispensation...but everyone starts praying for God to take it away as soon as it shows up! If Gods power is made manifest in our weaknesses, why , oh why, would we pray for them to vanish in to thin air?
?? It shows that we really ARE spoiled brats, and don't understand that we "are NOT our own , but have been bought with a price."
Any time our attitude agrees with God , its A-OK! When was the last time you actually met anyone who was "glorying in their infirmities???" Uh huh, not something you hear or see every day now is it?
Yet those are OUR instructions.
That is so true!!! We are told that we will suffer for Christs' sake. How do we miss that part of it, I'll never know. Oh you should see some of the things these ladies who say they are Christians say. Well, I'm sure you you have heard it all, lol!! I'm slowly going to start sharing with them Pauls gospel!!
Thank you Ladies for very good replies!
Love,
Diana
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Christine
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There are some in the Grace Movement that hold to the position that God isn't involved in the affairs of men today, apart from what He has said in His Word.
The term for those who believe that God doesn't do miracles or heal today in the same way He did with Israel are known as cessationists. There are various forms. You will find a plethora of information here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessationism
I would fall in this category:
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Classical (or "Weak") cessationists assert that the "sign gifts" such as prophecy, healing and speaking in tongues ceased with the apostles and the finishing of the canon of Scripture. They only served as launching pads for the spreading of the Gospel; as affirmations of God's revelation. However, these cessationists do believe that God still occasionally does miracles today, such as healings or divine guidance, so long as these "miracles" do not accredit new doctrine or add to the New Testament canon. Richard Gaffin, John F. MacArthur and Daniel B. Wallace are perhaps the best-known classical cessationists. Articles on this view can be found here: link
I did some teaching on this on another board. This subject makes for some great study.
ybiC,
Kab
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