How many Think We must "ASK FOR" Forgiveness daily?

[Christine]

Do we realize that the sin issue was settled and that God wants us to KNOW it and not focus on SIN anymore?


Heres more food for thot:

Biblical repentance means changing your mind...it has NOTHING to do with turning from ones sin. This is what churches and traditions of MEN teach, but its NOT what the bible says at all! Interesting ehh? If repentance meant "to turn from ones sin" then what does it mean when the scriptures say that "God repented....?" He had no sin to turn from did He? So the word repentance MUST mean something ELSE.

The verse in first John is addressed to whom? John , Peter and James were ministers to the CIRCUMCISION, and these are instructions given to the nation Israel...NOT to the church the Body of Christ. The NATION was to confess their sin of NOT recognizing their PROMISED MESSIAH.....God is still waiting for them to do so, by the way.

What WE are asked to do is to believe on the SIN BEARER. HE knows every sin you will ever commit from beginning to end and HE bore the penalty for EVERY ONE OF THEM over two thousand years ago. Why would YOUR confessing ONE more make any difference? LOL....think about it! Does your confessing make God forgive you? NOoooooooooooooo. He forgave you two thousand years ago when that sin was paid for on the Cross.

Confession doesnt forgive you....believing in the sin bearer is what makes the forgiveness HE purchased for you a very real thing. ALL your forgiveness is PAST tense as all your sins were future when He died for them.

[Christine]

 Are BELIEVERS ARE To CONFESS THEIR SINS TO GOD on a daily basis for forgiveness?

The passage for this is 1 John 1:6-2:1, especially verse 9, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." The New Scofield Bible, NKJV, relates this passage (and the whole letter of 1 John) to Christians whose sins have broken fellowship with God (page 1514).

THE TRUTH

The Apostle John IS NOT an apostle of the Gentiles. He was one of Israel's 12 Apostles. He began his first letter by referring back to the Lord's earthly ministry, which was normal for him to do (1 John 1:1-2). This is just the opposite of what Paul wrote in 2 Cor. 5:16! There are three facts that we need to realize in order to cane to a right understanding of this passage.

1. There are 6 verses in this passage and each verse contains an 'if,' with the first 5 verses beginning with an 'if.'

There are two types of 'if' in the Greek New Testament:

(1) There is the 'if' of certainty, which can also be translated 'since' in many verses, and is a part of the indicative mood of fact. The Greek word for this 'if' is EI.
(2) There is the 'if' of uncertainty, which is a part of the subjunctive mood of possibility, and is always translated 'if.' The Greek word for this 'if' is EAV.

In the letter of 1 John, the subjunctive mood of possibility (the words 'might,' 'may,' 'could, ' 'should,' and 'would' need to be used with this mood) is strongly emphasized in this short letter of 105 verses in 5 chapters. EAV (if) is used 20 times in 1 John, and the 6 verses under consideration contain EAV - if - instead of EI. EI is used only 5 times in 1 John.

Besides this, each mood has its corresponding 'that.' The indicative mood has HOTI, used 74 times, and the subjunctive mood has HINA, used 20 times.

This data indicates that the subjunctive mood plays a strong role in this letter, and we should recognize this for what it's worth.
So then, much of the truth in 1 John is based on possibilities, or what can be called 'contingencies.' This is consistent with the Gospel of the Kingdom as preached by John during his ministry before and after the cross. What caused the element of possibility? What was the overriding contingency back in the first century? It was the Repentance of the Nation of Israel - IF Israel WOULD repent. But the fact is, Israel did not repent, and that makes all the difference in how you view the letter of 1 John.

2. Under the Kingdom Gospel (the only gospel John was familiar with), repentance and confession WENT TOGETHER. This is seen when we read about John the Baptist's ministry and what he taught. Matthew 3:6 says, "and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins." Repentance is mentioned in verses 2,8,11 - three times. We find this also in Mark 1:4-5, "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. [5] Then all the land of Judea, and those from Jerusalem, went out to him and were all baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins." And this is what 1 John 1 is all about, that fellowship with the Father and His Son involved the baptism of repentance and the confession of sins. John calls his fellow Jewish brethren 'little children,' as if they had not grown up yet. It is significant that the phrase 'little children' is used only by John (8 times) and Paul (once - John 13:33; Gal. 4:19; 1 John 2:1,12,28; 3:7,18; 4:4; 5:21). The Greek noun is TEKNION, meaning 'little child,' those in a nursery.

3. During this Age of grace, believers have been forgiven ALL of their sins - past, present, and future - when we accepted the Lord Jesus as our Saviour and Lord. The Divine agent for this is the blood of Christ (Eph. 1:7-we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins; Col. 1:14-we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins; and two verses having to do with ALL of our sins, Col. 2:13 and Titus 2:14). If you have doubts about your future sins, please remember that when Jesus died on the cross for you, ALL of your sins were in the future.
Now it is true that after we are saved, we still commit sins. Sometimes our sins can hurt others, and sometimes other believer's sins can hurt us. What are we to do? We are TO FORGIVE them just as the Lord has forgiven us, graciously, lovingly, and mercifully (Eph., 4:32). Paul says nothing about confessing our sins to God or to anyone else, for that matter.

There is one thing in this world that can keep us from sinning. That one thing is God's Word - THE BIBLE. The Holy Spirit uses the Word of God to cleanse us as the Word is read, taught, and preached to us (Eph. 5:26). This is called 'practical sanctification.' This is God's way of taking care of practical sins that happen every day of our lives.

By Robert C. Brock

[Oasis]

Hi Christine,

I'll repost what I said on Grace Ministries a few days ago.

...this is the way I pray too. But, I have been wrestling with this since I came to understand the Mid-Acts positon, because I came from an Acts 2 belief with an improper understanding of what side of the cross I'm on. I was asking for forgiveness everytime I turned around.

Coming to a simple understanding of Romans 10:9-10 opened my eyes. All we have to do to be justified and saved is to confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised Him from the dead because Christ already provided forgiveness on the cross. Today we're praying post-cross, not pre-cross, if that makes sense.

The older I get and the more I learn, the more I realize that God's Word is not as complicated as I was taught it that it was.

[Christine]

Hi Christine,

I'll repost what I said on Grace Ministries a few days ago.

...this is the way I pray too. But, I have been wrestling with this since I came to understand the Mid-Acts positon, because I came from an Acts 2 belief with an improper understanding of what side of the cross I'm on. I was asking for forgiveness everytime I turned around.

Coming to a simple understanding of Romans 10:9-10 opened my eyes. All we have to do to be justified and saved is to confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised Him from the dead because Christ already provided forgiveness on the cross. Today we're praying post-cross, not pre-cross, if that makes sense.

The older I get and the more I learn, the more I realize that God's Word is not as complicated as I was taught it that it was.

LOL

[td3nnis]

I agree that confession does not forgive you.

But at the same time I do believe that to confess means to say the same thing about sin that God does; to acknowledge His perspective about sin......





Theresa

[Christine]

I agree that confession does not forgive you.

But at the same time I do believe that to confess means to say the same thing about sin that God does; to acknowledge His perspective about sin......





Theresa

Hi Theresa...glad to have you here. Tell us about yourself so we can get to know you better. 


I agree with you....If we are to acknowledge His perspective on sin then we should be thanking Him that whenever we DO sin , it was already taken care of two thousand years ago on Calvary. Faith thanks God for what He has already DONE...it doesn't ask God to do something that He says HE already DID.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you (past tense) all trespasses;

He says our sins and lawless deeds He will remember NO MORE. Do we believe HIM? His perspective on sin is that He paid for ALL of it at Calvary. He no longer sees us in our sins, but in the SIN BEARER...we are "made the righteousness of God IN HIM (in Christ)...THAT is how God views sin...He has put it out of His sight forever. That is the significance of the Cross. The sin issue is FINISHED!

We are now IN the righteous ONE and have been given HIS righteousness as a GIFT. We are declared RIGHTEOUS! That is how God sees sin when He looks at one who has trusted Christ.

We welcome you to the forum and hope you will continue to contribute...isn't it wonderful news that God no longer deals with us on the basis of our sins, but on the performance of the One who bore them ALL on Calvary? Yeee haw.

Now THAT is "good news"...we are NOT on probation, but are cleansed from every sin, past present AND future!

God no longer deals with any of us on the basis of our sins! Christ bore the penalty for ALL of them 2000 yrs ago!

[NewDawn]

I know I'm repeating myself from a thread I started but I wanted to ask my question here.

How does God deal with us when the Believer has a hard time letting go of their past sins?  How does sanctification fit in this?

[Christine]

.If we are to acknowledge His perspective on sin   then we should be thanking Him that whenever we DO sin , it was already taken care of two thousand years ago on Calvary. Faith thanks God for what He has already DONE...it doesn't ask God to do something that He says HE already DID.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you (past tense) all trespasses;

He says our sins and lawless deeds He will remember NO MORE. Do we believe HIM? His perspective on sin is that He paid for ALL of it at Calvary. He no longer sees us in our sins, but in the SIN BEARER...we are "made the righteousness of God IN HIM (in Christ)...THAT is how God views sin...He has put it out of His sight forever. That is the significance of the Cross. The sin issue is FINISHED!

We are now IN the righteous ONE and have been given HIS righteousness as a GIFT. We are declared RIGHTEOUS! That is how God sees sin when He looks at one who has trusted Christ.

Sanctification has to do with being set apart for a specific purpose. We are to BELIEVE the above truths...stand on them as true...the Bible tells us to RECKON ie: count them as true.

Does this help?

[NewDawn]

Oh yeah, this def does help!!  Thank you!!

[Christine]

Excellent material.